Great post! Yet it is certain that he so judged because he saw 16:9- In their hearts humans plan their course, but the LORD determines their steps. Who Is the Holy Spirit? When calamity strikes we must remember that God is allowing that to happen. âThe LORD of hosts has sworn, saying, âSurely, as I have thought, so it shall come to pass, And as I have purposed, so it shall standââ (Isaiah 14:24). And this is There’s your accomodation. The God revealed in the Bible is repeatedly recognized as absolutely sovereign over everything. Calamity is not sin but just a thing that God is allowing in our life for our good. NOT to program my mind where I have no control. Election never sent anyone to hell, but it did bring a great multitude to heaven who otherwise would never have been there. So you are telling me..He permits and wills things He sent His son to destroy??? Do you believe that God is the ultimate and final power over all things? God may have made the sun stand still to allow his people to smite more of the heathen according to the author of Joshua — but to Jesus he causes the sun to shine on the good and the bad equally. What does it mean to say that nothing can separate us from the love of Christ? How much does God control the events in history? Our lives are in His hand. “The Lord works out everything for His own ends, even the wicked for a day of disaster” (Proverbs 16:33; Ephesians 1:11). Regarding the truth magazine article you sent, I would have to agree that these verses cannot be said to conclusively prove the doctrine of total depravity (or total inability as it is also known), but I wouldn’t necessarily appeal to these verses to teach this doctrine to someone in the first place. Addresses the Possible Imbalance in our Understanding of God Between Holy and Familiar. I might be very impressed with your smartness, and say, “wow, B knows everything!” yet I don’t mean it literally. I’ve gone on long enough I think! God may withold the rain from the wicked nation according to the author of Kings or Chronicles — but to Jesus he sends his rain on the just and the unjust. The Bible directly contradicts this. I am not controlling the passengers many many choices, only where they will end up when the ride is over. God does not control us. “”Again they object: were they not previously predestined by God’s To say there is no God, or that God does not care or stands helpless on the sidelines, leads to fatalism and despair.’, -You started to develop a good argument, but lost it here. 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— 12 she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”. This is a lying doctrine. (Crucial Questions) - Kindle edition by Sproul, R.C.. Download it once and read it on your Kindle device, PC, phones or tablets. I was in your shoes not too many years ago. And God is perfect love. You said: “…a choice that does not include everyone.”, Both 1 Tim 2:4 and Rm 11:32 say otherwise! Therefore, when the Bible speaks as if God is actively doing it all, he maketh the rain to fall and collecteth the waters into rivers, and calls them forth to heaven again, and sends them back to the earth — we must interpret it not that he is actively doing it but that he has set it in motion by creating the laws of physics which keep the system going. Further more…I shouldn’t be held accountable for that action either…because He willed it..and If He wills it..who are we as men to setup ‘justice’ for my actions?! 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? This would be contrary to his nature of perfect agape. That article by Packer is quite long, but very good. Is God Really in Control of Everything? 3.6 â¢ 5 Ratings; Publisher Description. “And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed” (Acts 13:48). I can be in control of where the bus i am driving is headed. Adam and Eve made a decision….not sure God would bring justice on something He permitted in the first place??? “… I am God, and there is no one like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things which have not been done. That is, he was not PUNISHED for your sins — he was SACRIFICED for your sins. Science has explained it all as a natural phenomenon subject to the laws of physics. Nowhere does the Bible say Jesus paid our debt. The apostle wrote, “… God has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires” (Romans 9:18). Most people today believe that we live in a closed, mechanistic universe, that is, a universe that functions from day to day according to certain physical forces and causes. I am certain that this is a definite misreading of the teachings of historic Calvinism. bound, all of Adam’s children have fallen by God’s will. And without faith, nothing we do can be considered free of sin, or good. Change ). Also, it has to do with a concept in the legal system called double jeopardy. I think that God actually does ordain that sin occur through the use of secondary causes. Whether we one may contend if God actually controls meaningless things, though I would say that Scripture says he does, I think it is beyond any doubt that He does actually determine everything important that happens in our lives, specifically whether or not we will be saved. Many people today believe that, even if there is a God, He is not actively involved in this world. She was told, ‘The older will serve the younger. Merry Christmas! He may not particularly control every aspect of your life, except as you, but he does control â¦ We are dead in our sin, rebellious towards God, enslaved to ourselves. (something I’m not sensing on this blog!). but pay the penalties of that misery in which Adam fell by the God does not rescue us from the 'facts of life.' . God does exactly what He wants with every person, so that His plans would be fulfilled. God is not guilty for being the author of sin because of this. God did not chose to save everyone. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.” So this salvation by grace through faith isn’t something that we conjure ourselves. Who is God then to tell me to love my enemies? [PDF] Does God Control Everything? Just with the wicked… aha, you deserve hell According to Scripture, our decisions constitute real causes that produce real effects — for which we will be held accountable. So damaging to teach it! RE: ‘Although some feel that a sovereign God is too threatening and humbling, the alternatives are discouraging. You are implying that God wants some people to go to hell. He simply allows them to have what they want. To guide, to lead, to comfort, to correct, to intercede, and to guide. ” The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary Abstract Principles also contain the historic teaching of Calvin: “God from eternity, decrees or permits all things that come to pass, and perpetually upholds, directs and governs all creatures and all events; yet so as not in any wise to be the author or approve of sin nor to destroy the free will and responsibility of intelligent creatures.” ”. cheers. or say to him, “What have you done? Long ago I did it; from ancient times I planned it. I recently read an interesting article. saying things like “your God is not in control” or “then God doesnt get what God wants” There are plenty of things that have happened on earth that were not God’s desire. http://www.reformedliterature.com/packer-arminianisms.php. If youâre going to pick a god, pick a good one! “. Even the Roman emperors, as power-mad as they were, delegated authority to prefects who governed the various provinces. Sacrifices are mysterious things, however, and how and why they work rests entirely in the mind of God — they’re nonsensical in other words — so the question of why Jesus’ sacrifice can save people from hell cannot be answered. Briefly, as the number of key authorities increased, so did the spread of authority and responsibility. See more sermons from this series: In Christ Jesus: How the Spirit Transforms Us. God is in complete control of every molecule in the universe at every moment, and everything that happens is either caused or allowed by Him for His own perfect purposes. It does not mention there that God control everything. He offers us blessing and cursing, life and death. . But people then assume that since He is that powerful, then He would control everything. Many of us will say this because we believe in a big almighty God. 1:11; Rom.8:29-30; 1Thess.1:4; 2Thess 2:13-14; 2Tim. If God’s wrath was poured out and satisfied on Christ for a person, then it cannot be poured out again because that would imply that it was not satisfied the first time. No sovereign micromanages everything in his realm, but (obviously) delegates authority. We have freedom to choose within the constraints of who we are and the circumstances we find ourselves in. It rains — water collects in rivers and ponds — it evaporates because of the heat of the sun — it condenses in the atmosphere — it rains again. I have come to feel it is not truth, but I only want to talk about these things because I DO want the truth. We tend to use one to diminish the other; we tend to emphasize one at the expense of the other. acceptance is not the same as causing. God is more concerned about our holiness than our happiness. Please give me a specific verse and chapter that denotes libertarian free will. What then? ( Log Out / He clearly shows, irrefutably, that God does indeed control everything. When, therefore, they perish in their corruption, they 16:9), etc, etc. Even the interpretation of this parable which is found in Matt 13 is a tare. “He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. What a hypocrite. his dominion is an everlasting dominion, God was still behind that because He had a reason for David’s action. However, it is clear from scripture that God created both angels and mankind with a free will. And He is a just and righteous God in all that He does. But someone can say, âI donât believe in God, so that proves that God is not in control of everything!â Pretty strong argument isnât it? I do know of the scriptures you referenced..but I also know where God said ‘I wished that none would perish” and ” whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved!” and ” Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.’ Seems to me that’s a decision! and he does according to his will among the host of heaven I only am thinking as I am because it makes the most sense to me. Isaiah 66: 1, 2 No, he predicted (just as we predict) based on known information. According to Scripture, God is the superior or supreme being. -JI Packer, Arminianisms 1: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. You show me in your own words where the Bible teaches libertarian free-will? Secondly, such are figures of speech. 2. Romans 3: 10-18 teaches that we all have turned aside and no one seeks after God and no one can understand. And the rest of mankind He PAST OVER, LEAVING THEM IN THEIR SIN AND REBELLION. Saying, ‘My purpose will be established, and I will accomplish all my good pleasure’; … Truly I have spoken; truly I will bring it to pass. Actually, I find this teaching liberating! Format: Add to Cart. The entire chapter of Romans 9 teaches us about unconditional election; Verse 10, “…when Rebecca had concieved children by one man, our forefather Isacc, 11)though the twins were not yet born and had done nothing neither good or bad- IN ORDER THAT GOD’S PURPOSE ACCORDING TO ELECTION SHALL MIGHT CONTINUE, NOT BECAUSE OF WORKS BUT BECAUSE OF HIS CALL. 16, 27) and follow him (v. 27), and be kept from perishing forever (v. 28). himself through himself, by God’s mere permission and without any God does not choose to send people to hell. Dionysius of Corinth understood it in 170 as relating to textual corruption of the scriptures, but by 180 the false interpretation had been added (and used by Ireneaus) that the wheat and tares are people rather than words. John 8:34 teaches that we are slaves to sin. Pick a God who is in control and Almighty! On the one hand, it was the usual fare we have come to expect in some circles. Is there injustice on God’s part? Godâs Eternal Plan One of our problems with the sovereignty of God is that it frequently does not appear that God is in control of the circumstances of our lives. We are created in the image and likeness of God. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? He certainly does permit lots of things. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours” (John 17:9). “God would be unjust if he punished for the same crime twice. I dont think God is controlling everything actively in everyone’s life. I am glad that we have been able to consider these things with grace, as brothers! Of God only steps in what we plead for His intervention. 6:37-40; 17:6, 11f. On this view, when you have compared God’s relation to fallen men with that of a dignitary who invites all needy folk around to come and enjoy his bounty, you have said it all. Your interpretation makes God’s mind into mushy nonsense. This is unbliblical argumentation. That means your divorce, your affair, your lapse of judgment, your squandered opportunities, your failed business venture, your bankruptcy, your poor choicesâthese do not loosen Godâs â¦ Our choice to receive Christ is preceded by God’s choice of us for His salvation — a choice that does not include everyone. I want to offer this explanation, as i think it is said much better than I could say it myself. God Is In Control of Everything and Allows Everything That Happens â Including Calamities. 14 What shall we say then? He sure has a way with words! “Que Sera, Sera” — “whatever will be, will be?” But are we victims of fate? condemnation? the chief of his creatures [Adam] to be! He is the supreme Lord (Isvara) with endless manifestations and appearances. Pingback: My top 10 posts « Wisdom for Life, Nowhere in the Bible do we see that God loves the reprobate, in fact there is quite a lot of evidence of the contrary. Itâs arrogant, he says, to think youâre in control. You guys can have a stuffed plush God powerless spectator of world events but My God is GOD. I guess it does bring some peace and comfort to know…we are not in control. He may be saying “yes, those things I shall permit, as they can fit into my overarching plan for the universe” without actually directing each detail in the matters permitted. And it’s in that hope..that He left His holy Spirit here…gives me great comfort. September 12, 2018 4 min read Dr. John Neufeld. The punishment you supposedly deserve isn’t even crucifixion to begin with but hell, and therefore his crucifixion as an execution swap wouldn’t even work! Overview . Now, of course, several passages have humans confessing to God “Lord, you know everything” — but this is human confession to God not God speaking of himself, firstly. 1:3-14, John 6:65, Acts 13:48), when disasters occur in cities (Amos 3:6), the exact time when each individual person will die (Job 14:5), what each person does in their life (Prov. We do deserve hell, but God does not want us to go there. You take your interpretation of God’s sovereignty way too far. Today, by God’s grace, I see the doctrine of election as one of the most humbling doctrines in all of Scripture. However, only if God’s wrath was not satisfied for certain people, would he be able to pour it out on those people. Matt. He is not the author of sin, but only allows sin to occur for His ultimate purposes. Now I have brought it to pass …” (II Kings 19:25). all the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, So yes, some people are made to destruction only As Christians, we need to be reminded that everything that happens to us in our life is allowed by God. Calvinists have grossly perverted the meaning of ‘sovereign’ and based an entire Christian-in-name-only religion around that perverted definition of this word. 2.) God is also omniscient. Segment 2 (9:50) – God allows sinful things to happen but never causes them. calvinists and non calvinists often operate with different definitions of the same words. Those people God did not choose, He simply past over, leaving them in their sin and rebellion towards Him. (John 6:44; John 6:65; John 6:70; Acts 13:48; Eph.1:3-6; Eph. Unwilling and unable to turn to Jesus. God sets the circumstances of our lives and so influences things that our choices are made in accordance with his plans. Since God is in ‘control’ over everything…then I guess He wouldn’t mind me stepping out and killing someone tomorrow. Inasmuch as it is logically silly and ridiculous to believe that God would create the world as a giant puppet show in which he controls everything (there would be no point) these statements obviously must be viewed as poetic hyperbole. Although some view a sovereign God as too threatening and humbling, the alternatives are far more discouraging. Arminianism treats our Lord’s parable of the Supper to which further guests were invited in place of those who never came (Luke 14:16-24; cf. In God’s omniscience, he knows who will do so, but he does not in any way choose, designate or assign who will do so. “The issue is not whether anyone thinks Calvinists have perverted the word sovereign or not” — yes it is. God said, “Have you not heard? You see if God was in control of everything then His will would always be done. From the unified, transcendental perspective, God is everything and controls everything. At one end is the idea that God totally controls every event, every action in the universe, down to the box of Raisin Bran Crunch you had for breakfast. If you believe that God is not sovereign in everything, even over the human will, then you definitely must read it. It seems to me that even the fact that God merely knows what will happen makes God the deciding factor in the person’s salvation anyways. Well, it’s late and I probably will not be back on here until Saturday or Sunday. You need a more convincing argument than that. “And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father”(John 6:65). Again, this is biblically unsound argumentation. The wise teacher wrote, “The conclusion, when all has been heard, is fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person. In other words, God has a plan, and nothing is going to derail His plan as a whole and for us individually. Now I have brought it to pass …” (II Kings 19:25). It makes no sense for a judge to tell a person that their fine/penalty has been paid, but they must pay it again. At the other end is the idea that, while God is sovereign over all things, He chooses to stand back and let the universe run on its own. Theyâll say, âwell itâs clear to me itâs not Godâs will for everyone to be â¦ If even one rouge atom is loose to do whatever it pleases, then God is not ultimately in control of the universe. Biblical Christianity has taken a very different view, teaching that God, not fate or free will, is the primary cause of what is and what happens. According to Scripture, God is the superior or supreme being. If we are walking in fellowship with Him, then nothing can touch us unless it is allowed by God for our good. Jesus even teaches in John 6:44, 65 that we cannot even come unto Him unless He enables us. It’s about love. You say that our choice to receive Christ is preceded by God’s choice of our salvation. Calvinism, however, does not stop here, but links with the picture of the Supper that of the Shepherd (John 10:11-18, 24-29) who has his sheep given him to care for (vv. sin, or holy obedience/action. Publisher: Reformation Trust Publishing Author: R. C. Sproul Description. God never blesses the wicked and whatever they receive is only to their own destruction. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Concerning our salvation, Paul went on the most wonderful tangent in Eph. If He knows, then He could make everyone in a way that they would choose to follow Him. Hmm. So the basic difference between the two positions is not, as is sometimes thought, that Arminianism follows Scripture while Calvinism follows logic, nor that Arminianism knows the love of God while Calvinism knows only his power, nor that Arminianism affirms a connection between believing and obeying as a means and eternal life as an end which Calvinism denies, nor that Arminianism discerns a bona fide “free offer” of Christ in the gospel which Calvinism does not discern, nor that Arminianism acknowledges human responsibility before God and requires holy endeavor in the Christian life while Calvinism does not. When this happens that person will no longer be an Arminian. Summary. Apparently He “micromanages” everything, including the death of sparrows (Matt 10:29), the outcome of casting of lots (Prov. To say there is no God, or that God does not care or stands helpless on the sidelines, leads to fatalism and despair. The Bible says that âHe is before all things, and in him all things hold togetherâ (Colossians 1:17). When calamity strikes we must remember that God is allowing that to happen. Merely, that he loved all types of people in the world. Indeed, God is so confident in his sovereignty that he does not need to micromanage everything. Does God Control Everything? The reapers (readers) must first bind the tares to be burned (i.e. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. 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